tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post5834458721429340964..comments2023-11-19T19:19:12.773-05:00Comments on Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy: Pseudoscience and 'World-View'W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-26579478216087752502014-07-02T20:48:13.111-04:002014-07-02T20:48:13.111-04:00I've been informed that the August 2011 post d...I've been informed that the August 2011 post discussed above is actually in the <a href="http://dad2059.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/the-electric-universe-and-strawmen/#comment-9749" rel="nofollow">comment thread of the Dad2059 post</a>.<br /><br />So Mr. Reeve has again made claims of Electric Universe capability but EU has yet to demonstrate capabilities even simpler than he describes, much less his grandiose claims.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-15080529174341436052014-07-01T18:57:04.479-04:002014-07-01T18:57:04.479-04:00To Anonymous,
Please include a link to Mr. Reeve&...To Anonymous,<br /><br />Please include a link to Mr. Reeve's August 2011 post which you describe.<br /><br />I sent a short followup to Reeve's statements on the 'strawmen' comment thread, but it has not been released.<br /><br />I'll be posting an expanded version of that followup, probably this weekend.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-22179439856759317892014-06-30T15:05:51.969-04:002014-06-30T15:05:51.969-04:00"Even a really basic understanding of the ES ..."Even a really basic understanding of the ES model suggests that we would have to observe the inflowing electrical currents in order to make predictions about the Sun’s future activity. This clearly remains an unfinished question, as I don’t think any serious effort has yet been put into it. Clearly, this is a project which will require funding and a concerted effort by a large number of investigators and circuit designers." - Chris Reeve, August 13, 2011<br /><br />For someone who is so keen on the EU as Chris says he is, the ignorance conveyed in this post is simply staggering! In the EU, "inflowing electrical currents" are composed of electrons and/or ions. Dozens, perhaps hundreds, of spacecraft have had electron and ion detectors, since the late 1950s. A great many of those have travelled through interplanetary space. The data from those detectors is freely available.<br /><br />Has no EU proponent ever made a serious attempt to use that data to "observe the inflowing electrical currents" the EU insists exist? Of course they have (and they have all failed, to date, to show such a current exists).<br /><br />Has no EU proponent ever made a serious attempt to spec (even at a very high level) a space-based mission that would/could detect such a current? Per Chris, no. Why not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-8118307017051045922014-06-30T14:52:54.988-04:002014-06-30T14:52:54.988-04:00Thanks for the link to The Electric Universe and S...Thanks for the link to The Electric Universe and Strawmen.<br /><br />Chris Reeve writes "but you know what, some enterprising physics student WILL do EXACTLY THAT one day. And they will leave behind a global array of low-cost radio telescopes, from which a central command will combine all of these 2D views into a 3D view. And I would imagine that this data will feed into the EU solar models, in order to generate a solar model which actually makes accurate predictions." That was almost three years' ago now. As far as I know, not even the tiniest of tiny steps has been taken, by any EU proponent, on that path. I wonder how many more years we should have to wait?<br /><br />Further down, in the same ~3 yo post, "Your audience has no idea to what extent aether theory can explain the same data." Odd, then, that Chris apparently has no idea either. He seems more concerned about 'equal time for alternatives' than what the alternatives can actually show.<br /><br />Given his later self-characterization, this seems either blatantly dishonest, or a staggering ignorance of the relevant physics and history: "What is the Electric Universe? It is an adaptation of observations in laboratory plasma physics to cosmic plasmas, which constitute the very large majority (in terms of matter state) of what we see with our telescopes. The EU is based upon the work, amongst others, of Hannes Alfven — who, towards the end of his career, struggled (and ultimately failed) to convince astrophysicists to re-examine their plasma models. Astrophysicists were eager to adopt the plasma models which were consistent with a gravity-based framework, but refused to acknowledge any criticisms,"<br /><br />How did he miss the Workshop on Opportunities in Plasma Astrophysics, for example?<br />http://w3.pppl.gov/conferences/2010/WOPA/index.html<br /><br />(another comment to follow, on CR's August 2011 post)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com