tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post187597374356697079..comments2023-11-19T19:19:12.773-05:00Comments on Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy: OEC Hugh Ross debates YEC Jason LisleW.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-90699114562407046092012-05-17T08:38:19.147-04:002012-05-17T08:38:19.147-04:00To Emanuel Hai,
From the YEC position, anything g...To Emanuel Hai,<br /><br />From the YEC position, anything goes since you can invoke miracles at will. There are no constraints.<br /><br />I think the OECs such as Ross' "Reasons To Believe" get around these conflicts through a 'day-age' scenario but it does seem odd to have the Earth formed so much earlier than the rest of the solar system.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-53401692932441132172012-05-16T13:58:27.730-04:002012-05-16T13:58:27.730-04:00"rspeir", I was searching on google for ..."rspeir", I was searching on google for Yec's who believe a calendar day view of Genesis 1 is compatible with Big Bang Theory and I've found this site. <br /><br />Doesn't it creates chronological problem when the Sun, the moon and the stars is created on fourth day and the earth is created on the first day?<br /><br />Do you know any famous proponent of this view?Emanuel Haihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883566540068417814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-39271301670555922692011-07-23T06:58:19.097-04:002011-07-23T06:58:19.097-04:00To Anonymous: I keep meaning to assemble some of t...To Anonymous: I keep meaning to assemble some of the interesting theological perspectives I found on this from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Gardner" rel="nofollow">Martin Gardner's</a> "The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener". One day I'll get to it. Until then, there's <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CA" rel="nofollow">Index to Creationist Claims: Philosophy and Theology</a>W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-59710093916204153912011-07-22T23:48:31.984-04:002011-07-22T23:48:31.984-04:00The reason that creationism is important is becaus...The reason that creationism is important is because if we have evolution before the eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then we have God saying that death is "very good" which we know that it isn't as the Bible later refers to death as "the enemy" (Romans was it?)<br />A scientific problem with theistic evolution/day-age theory is that the way the Bible lays out creation there are plants before the bugs to pollinate them (bugs are created day six, plants are created day three) We know that there was plant death during this time as Adam, Eve, and every animal on earth would eat them, so during this time, plants would have been dying. Now if there were only three days between the creation of plants and the creation of pollinating insects, no problem. Millions of years, and suddenly you have very few species of plants, and then the bugs that would have survived by pollinating these plants (bees, butterflies, etc.) would have died off.<br />There are numerous other reasons why OEC views don't hold water, from both theological and scientific views, but these are some of the easiest. I hope that this shows you that YEC isn't just a device used to divide Christians, but think about this the Bible clearly states that God created the heavens and the Earth, and all that was in them in six days (I know that there are people that will say God was speaking to the Jews where they were at, but there are words in the Jewish language for long periods of time, and this would in reality make God a liar) so if we throw out something that scripture quite clearly states, the n why shouldn't we throw out the rest? We've effectively decided that man's ideas are more important than God's word, so why don't we throw out all those other things that "science" says can't exist, such as the virgin birth, water into wine, walking on the water, feeding the five thousand, healing the blind, and of course... The resurrection of the dead. Believing in an old-earth will not stop you from going to heaven if you asked Jesus to forgive you for your sin, but if we reinterpret one part of the Bible because of man's fallible ideas, then why don't we just take this all the way to it's conclusion and get rid of the cross?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-54411911639923418142010-08-17T01:49:06.846-04:002010-08-17T01:49:06.846-04:00For (apparently) the John Newton being an old-eart...For (apparently) the John Newton being an old-earther letter, this link should have what Ross is referring to: http://www.reasons.org/age-earth/scientific-evidence-old-earth/correspondence-isaac-newton-volume-ii-1676-1687Sean McKaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-51135857985967812062010-04-08T22:18:27.735-04:002010-04-08T22:18:27.735-04:00(Ignore him. Maybe he'll go away.) Yes, I list...(Ignore him. Maybe he'll go away.) Yes, I listened to the debate as well. Those are two men I esteem mainly because of their denunciation of evolution. I admire the fact that Ross has not let long ages detract from his belief of man created in God's image, as have so many. Ok, now this was interesting: because of the debate, Ross has rather opened my eyes up to something that I admit I was heretofore blind to; namely, the heavens are in and of themselves a book to be read, so to speak! Fascinating thought. (Now I know what you are thinking: "rspeir, when are you going to read that book and listen," but I still think there might be a way to get a decent YEC model in edgewise.) Tom, I recently heard from one of the YEC PhD's and would like your opinion. He said, "I would not be surprised if in the next 25 years the big bang model is replaced." Can you give us a post about the ongoing life or potential death of the bb theory? Do you think it will make it another 25? How is the Planck satellite going...will it confirm what we hope it to or will it end up possibly helping overturn the Standard Model? (I know it's weird but you already know I am pro-big bang and a YECer at the same time.) Thanks for your comments on the debate.rspeirhttp://rsrs11rsrsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-7916456122360658412010-04-07T20:03:50.131-04:002010-04-07T20:03:50.131-04:00I debated whether I should let this comment throug...I debated whether I should let this comment through. The links send a somewhat confused message.<br /><br />I guess they didn't read the final paragraph of my original post. Their tone helps illustrate my point about the real agenda of creationism - a mechanism for dividing Christians.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-11056110179652838172010-04-07T12:37:23.134-04:002010-04-07T12:37:23.134-04:00DO YOU FUCKERS HAVE A FUTURE?
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