tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post7906509655060369303..comments2023-11-19T19:19:12.773-05:00Comments on Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy: Apology to Dr. HartnettW.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-28410861466317645102012-10-23T18:47:55.096-04:002012-10-23T18:47:55.096-04:00To Anonymous,
Hartnett was claiming connection to...To Anonymous,<br /><br />Hartnett was claiming connection to a cosmology by Carmeli in 2006 (see <a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006FoPhL..19..519O" rel="nofollow">Carmeli's Cosmology Fits Data for an Accelerating and Decelerating Universe Without Dark Matter or Dark Energy</a>). <br /><br />Then he moved to Hirano in 2007. <br /><br />Is he still using the Hirano model or has he moved to someone else?W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-48188718003152282572012-10-17T19:43:06.745-04:002012-10-17T19:43:06.745-04:00Dear Mr. Bridgman,
you wrote:
"Other issues...Dear Mr. Bridgman,<br /><br />you wrote:<br /><br />"Other issues with HH2007 will be examined in a future post."<br /><br />Have you already written such a post? <br /><br />Kind regards!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-92180064320164326862011-04-03T12:53:15.459-04:002011-04-03T12:53:15.459-04:00To James:
Depending on how you sent and worded su...To James:<br /><br />Depending on how you sent and worded such a query to NASA, it could have ended up anywhere from someone's spam email box to still working it's way through the system.<br /><br />I started composing the response to this and found it quickly turning into something more appropriate for a blog post. I'd like to finish it up as a blog post, hopefully in the next week.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-57208772158115176022011-04-02T21:44:38.564-04:002011-04-02T21:44:38.564-04:00Dr. Bridgman,
Thanks for your reply; much appreci...Dr. Bridgman,<br /><br />Thanks for your reply; much appreciated. I hope you can help me out on the following as well. Is it true that N.A.S.A. uses the geocentric model rather than the heliocentric model and if so what is their rationale for doing so -- if you know. I have not received any answer from N.A.S.A. regarding this.<br /><br />JPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-40975610281691129992011-04-02T19:44:02.013-04:002011-04-02T19:44:02.013-04:00To James,
Over the years, I've worked in a ra...To James,<br /><br />Over the years, I've worked in a range of technical fields, from business programming to support positions for some space missions, though nothing mission critical. My current position involves assembling many scientific datasets in an accurate context for wider release. Where were the spacecraft when they took the data, where will they be when they take the data, what instruments were/will be looking where, etc.<br /><br />In technical fields, success and failure are defined by if something works, or not. Did your spacecraft make it to orbit, or to another planet, based on the calculations (using Newton's laws and gravity) that were done years earlier? That's an absolute measure of success or failure.<br /><br />The knowledge base I rely on for verification, in addition to project scientists, are textbooks, and other data sources.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-54267686133527697672011-04-02T19:17:14.624-04:002011-04-02T19:17:14.624-04:00To Anonymous:
I'm not clear what you have in m...To Anonymous:<br />I'm not clear what you have in mind for "scientists who don't credit any part of a fringe theory". I can think of several examples of science that started out rather "fringy" and is now credited, Birkeland currents for one. <br /><br />Many supporters of far fringe science today often don't realize that many of their claims were explored (and dismissed) sometimes decades before their claims. <br /><br />Electric Universe supporters claim any mention of electric fields in space are evidence for their more outragous claims, ignoring the fact that electric fields in space were being explored by astronomers even before the term 'plasma' was coined by Langmuir.<br /><br />Then there is those fringers who happen to get the 'right' answer for the wrong reasons. If I compute 16/64 by cancelling the '6' above and below, I get the right answer. Does that mean my methodology is correct? <br /><br />Was there a particular claim you had in mind?W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-51428012746129729862011-04-01T12:03:14.442-04:002011-04-01T12:03:14.442-04:00Dr. Bridgman,
You state the following: "I wo...Dr. Bridgman,<br /><br />You state the following: "I work in a technical field were [sic] there are absolute standards of success and failure." As a general reader, who nevertheless is fascinated by your blog, please allow me to ask you: 1) how exactly you would define your technical field, and 2) what exactly are its absolute standards of success and failure and where can those standards be seen to be precisely set out in the field's literature if indeed they are.<br /><br />Thank you very much for your anticipated response. May you always seek to find the truth and be rewarded for any and all your efforts carried out in humility and good faith.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />James PhillipsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-14183736572209832892011-03-31T18:45:23.836-04:002011-03-31T18:45:23.836-04:00It is indeed commendable that you admitted a mista...It is indeed commendable that you admitted a mistake. But I don't think it is fair to compare it with others who "dogmatically hang on to delusions".<br /><br />The mislabelled axes are a very specific error. An incorrect paradigm is more than a single correctable error.<br /><br />I am sure that if you found a mislabelled creationist chart, it would be duly corrected.<br /><br />We could turn this whole thing around, and argue that scientists who don't credit any part of a fringe theory, are as dogmatic as those who hold on to it in their entirety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-20669891843629808992011-03-27T15:17:45.070-04:002011-03-27T15:17:45.070-04:00I had given that article only the briefest of exam...I had given that article only the briefest of examination, not going for details (part of the reason I made the original mistake).<br /><br />Actually, I have had some email correspondence with Hartnett and was re-reading his emails. There was some confusion about HH2007 final published form, which I had gone to check and realized my error.W.T."Tom" Bridgmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10889134728080314165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-7988037543805872352011-03-26T11:30:54.619-04:002011-03-26T11:30:54.619-04:00Dr. Bridgman,
Thank you for being courageous enou...Dr. Bridgman,<br /><br />Thank you for being courageous enough to admit your error. I commend you for that. There is only one problem, however. In your admission you say "I discovered an error..." This gives the impression that you yourself poured over your work and discovered an error. Actually, you didn't "discover" it; it was told to you on our website in the article "More Trouble in Tom's Bubbles." Yet you didn't even acknowledge our article or our website as giving you that crucial information. Not exactly what I would call telling the whole truth, Dr. Bridgman. Care to rectify this?<br /><br />The web address is:<br /><br />http://www.galileowaswrong.com/galileowaswrong/features/AnwswerToBridgman.pdf<br /><br />Robert SungenisRobert Sungenishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116790273676727954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2361412992308994774.post-10881913078172409392011-03-25T21:40:48.209-04:002011-03-25T21:40:48.209-04:00Quite to the contrary Dr. Bridgeman. I think your ...Quite to the contrary Dr. Bridgeman. I think your apology is quite commendable.<br /><br />The mere fact that you couch it in such defensive terms ("Note that it is the pseudo-scientists in the comments of this blog who often try to push me to adhere to their time frame and in this case I foolishly took their bait")-- only mitigates, but does not overcome, the commendability of the act.<br /><br />It is good that the review continues, since the important work of Drs. Hartnett and Hirano continues to stand as a very serious challenge to the *philosophical* (not scientific) preference known as the Copernican or cosmological Principle.<br /><br />The fact that this principle is indeed the very basis of cosmology, and is indeed now in the gravest observational question, makes some folks happy and some folks mad.<br /><br />But that battle will certainly continue.<br /><br />My congratulations to you for your apology.Rick DeLanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02470890457089673315noreply@blogger.com